tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post6364768509996311156..comments2023-10-31T08:22:51.995-07:00Comments on Gadjo Dilo: History Today #1Gadjo Dilohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-50753847232753749512010-03-23T01:02:14.208-07:002010-03-23T01:02:14.208-07:00Samus, thanks for your views and for passing on yo...Samus, thanks for your views and for passing on your knowledge. I had not investigated the genetic aspect and what you report is quite surprising. Of course, one would have to use some sort of benchmark to conclude whether the lack of genetic similarity actually means that Romanians and Hungarians are very similar or if it just means more inconclusiveness. <br /><br />I agree with you about history: I never want to read a history of this place written by either a Romanian or a Hungarian; Wikipedia at least manages some sort of balance.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-26876917276067160912010-03-22T15:52:56.544-07:002010-03-22T15:52:56.544-07:00If by my views on the subject you mean the who was...If by my views on the subject you mean the who was first here I would have to say both and neither.<br />Let me explain why. The only safe proof on the matter is genetics and from what I've seen Hungarians and Romanians in Transylvania are genetically virtually the same people which is quite strange for two people with such distant languages.<br />We either both assimilated more numerous peoples than ours and we became genetically close or we were at some point in time similar or the same people and got linguistically assimilated by other small groups of people.<br />I don't trust most of Romanian or Hungarian official history because they are both too romantic for my "taste" and as you already said they are not based on hard evidence because there is none.Samushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201968897467544382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-22607277753616665142010-03-22T15:31:49.616-07:002010-03-22T15:31:49.616-07:00I don't think that Funar, in all his craziness...I don't think that Funar, in all his craziness, deluded himself that he could remove Matthia's statue from the square.What I do believe is that he wanted and tried to change the center of the city in the public mind from Matthia's square to Iancu's square, a sort of rewriting history.<br />In Matthia's square nobody conducted archeological work per se, they just dug a pit and left it that way for 8 years and in time it was full of garbage.<br />The diggings at Calvaria church lasted just a few months and there were no trash pits involved.Samushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201968897467544382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-37127009151903895322010-03-22T01:17:03.594-07:002010-03-22T01:17:03.594-07:00Samus, they also started archeological digging aro...Samus, they also started archeological digging around the base of the statue of Mattias Corvinus on Piata Unirii, I think for similar reasons, but some said that it was just Funar trying to destroy the statue of Corvin. If we can phase out more people like Funar then maybe some time we can all look at the evidence found so far and have a proper dialogue. What are your views on the metter?Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-67158133725075928522010-03-19T12:25:03.781-07:002010-03-19T12:25:03.781-07:00I really don't know the details but at the beg...I really don't know the details but at the beginning of the '90 there was a very short lived archeological digging there. Maybe it was shutdown at the Catholic church request since all that plateau is a big graveyard and in weekends kinds(including myself :))went there and use to play with the uncovered human bones. But as I said I really don't know why they halted the diggings, it's just my 2 cents on the matter!Samushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201968897467544382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-90511313728228496132010-03-19T00:48:56.651-07:002010-03-19T00:48:56.651-07:00Samus, for real?? I live in Cluj and pass that lit...Samus, for real?? I live in Cluj and pass that litle "hill" regularly. As I'm sure you know, according to Gesta Hungarorum (1200AD) Gelu was a Vlach (i.e a Romanian) and was there when the Hungarians arrived, making the Romanians the ones here first. I believe that Romanaian archiologists have searched a lot for proof of this but have found nothing conclusive yet; I'm surprised that they didn't dig up this hill if there was a chance that it was there - or maybe Funar was too scared that it <i>wasn't</i> there!Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-88161018405731483022010-03-19T00:09:39.148-07:002010-03-19T00:09:39.148-07:00Gajdo, nice to meet you too!
Some historical sourc...Gajdo, nice to meet you too!<br />Some historical sources point out that the lost fortress of Gelu is the artificial hill under Calvaria church in Cluj. <br />No serious archeological digging was ever organized there and as far as I know there aren't plans for one.Samushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201968897467544382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-36894454528200157702010-03-18T22:55:21.251-07:002010-03-18T22:55:21.251-07:00Susan, ahh yes, there should have been a "Mol...Susan, ahh yes, there should have been a "Molesworth Theory" - an opportunity missed!<br /><br />Samus, nice to meet you. It's a thorny issue indeed, one of the thorniest, but I was determined to have a go and try to approach an unbiased conclusion. The debate is not over, of course - for instance, maybe they may suddenly unearth the lost city of Gelu the Vlach Duke of Transylvania. I myself hope to post more on this subject soon.<br /><br />Eryl, yes, that was my approach too :-) Despite the problems inherent in the Wikipedia idea, their pages do at least acquire some balance over time.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-63315093387397102742010-03-18T16:45:01.546-07:002010-03-18T16:45:01.546-07:00What I always do in these situations is check Wiki...What I always do in these situations is check Wikipedia, they know everything.Erylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06008344023000459577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-59399421141008230202010-03-18T14:49:18.429-07:002010-03-18T14:49:18.429-07:00Wow, you managed to summarize the "Who was he...Wow, you managed to summarize the "Who was here first!" issue in one page and even draw a conclusion!<br />We're trying to solve this puzzle for centuries without luck. Maybe we (Magyars and Romanians) should all try to become British in the hope that we'll become as smart as you are!Samushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15201968897467544382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-57798360347274017012010-03-18T02:06:14.849-07:002010-03-18T02:06:14.849-07:00No Molesworth theory then?No Molesworth theory then?Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179895758709928467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-89464507676952674432010-03-17T22:19:04.353-07:002010-03-17T22:19:04.353-07:00Hi Pat! Yes, Mrs Dilo thinks - as they all instruc...Hi Pat! Yes, Mrs Dilo thinks - as they all instructed to do during her schoolyears - that theory #1 is a perfectly adequate explaination. But luckily she's not too hung up on the idea to stop her having Hungarian friends.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-53679372310406449202010-03-17T09:07:56.740-07:002010-03-17T09:07:56.740-07:00I'd like to know what Mrs Gadjo thinks. I sus...I'd like to know what Mrs Gadjo thinks. I suspect it may be simpler:)Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01529798893653033970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-28177471133940285252010-03-16T22:40:34.161-07:002010-03-16T22:40:34.161-07:00Madame, it is confusing isn't it. This place w...Madame, it is confusing isn't it. This place was the Crossroads Motel for most of the invading tribes from the Steppes, so we've got a fair mixture of genes. But the redheads are mainly of the Wella or L'Oreal variety.Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-946433315517330402010-03-16T14:25:28.093-07:002010-03-16T14:25:28.093-07:00But what did the Romanians ever do for us? Or am I...But what did the Romanians ever do for us? Or am I thinking of someone else? And didn't Mary Magdalene go and live among them too? Which explains all the red-haired ladies in Romania? Or am I thinking of Scotland? I get so confused.Madame DeFargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172239340844485940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-68734975362217836082010-03-15T22:58:47.367-07:002010-03-15T22:58:47.367-07:00Worm, New Romantics would get blank looks here and...Worm, New Romantics would get blank looks here and rightly so. I like your use of "the Romania", like "The Ukraine" or "The Argentine".<br /><br />Pearl, Americans need to think, Mr Obama wills it! Just imagine it's a dispute between the Cherokee and the Iroquios about who was the first in the Northern Plains, or something.<br /><br />Brit, La Zsa Zsa will thank you personally for this: I've already given her your phone number and she's writing the wedding invitations at this very moment!<br /><br />Bananas, you make a good point if an entirely incorrect one. The Slovak Question mainly involved Slokaks, who had their own Hungarian-related issues at the time, and Dracula never spoke Slovak as far as memory serves.<br /><br />zmkc, yep, Transylvania <i>is</i> the lost heartland of the Magyars - I couldn't have put it more succinctly myself. But we have to ask ourselves <i>why</i> it was lost. I see I'll have to write more about this :-)<br /><br />Lulu, Zsa Zsa it is then. It's the best day's work Hertfordshire ever did and this book will prove it!<br /><br />Nikos, you agree with Alice? What is wrong with you, man?? Romanians may well be descended from Greeks, and they will prove this if needs be.<br /><br />Kevo, intransigent, partisan adherence to dubious interpretations of history is the reason we don't have pub quiz-nights in Romania! (BTW, T think you're entitled to misspell "Danube", seeing as how every country spells it differently.)<br /><br />Boyo, oh yes, please send me this communication. I would even happily talk to this friend of yours, though I suspect he doesn't need me to tell him where he's right :-)Gadjo Dilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998278830936531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-3421222971525489662010-03-15T16:50:38.332-07:002010-03-15T16:50:38.332-07:00A beloved and long-retired Hungarian colleague onc...A beloved and long-retired Hungarian colleague once "explained" Transylvania in one of the most bizarre communications I have ever received. I'll see if I can track it down and post it for you. Gyppo knows who I mean.No Good Boyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05859104068516964533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-34567563939851231372010-03-15T16:12:29.791-07:002010-03-15T16:12:29.791-07:00The Romanians are descended from proto-Friesians w...The Romanians are descended from proto-Friesians who determined that the Schleswig-Holstein Question was going to be too easy for words and went on a pub quiz night tour of the Danube.<br /><br /><br />(I got the tricky stuff right-ish then mispelled bloody "Danube")Kevin Musgrovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14472110857057175327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-80487925938352012012010-03-15T16:11:10.467-07:002010-03-15T16:11:10.467-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kevin Musgrovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14472110857057175327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-45950426835804265352010-03-15T15:12:11.284-07:002010-03-15T15:12:11.284-07:00I agree with Alice although it would probably be m...I agree with Alice although it would probably be more interesting to chart the history of heroic welding machine failures.<br />Aren't Romanians descended from Greeks?Nikoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119901226987582553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-66712351548660921552010-03-15T14:20:16.260-07:002010-03-15T14:20:16.260-07:00I'd vote for anything involving Zsa.
Looking ...I'd vote for anything involving Zsa.<br /><br />Looking forward to this book - great title "How Hertfordshire Outhung The Huns" if that doesn't get you beaten up nothing willLulu LaBonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546286547273386382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-43479322577303145232010-03-15T13:04:56.673-07:002010-03-15T13:04:56.673-07:00Did I spend too long in Hungary - Transylvania is ...Did I spend too long in Hungary - Transylvania is the lost heartland of the Magyars and that is that, surely?zmkchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08972549292961948240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-5743126852259655922010-03-15T11:22:28.645-07:002010-03-15T11:22:28.645-07:00The Dacians were obviously Romanised. Why else wou...The Dacians were obviously Romanised. Why else would they call the country 'Romania' after the Romans had left? You keep prattling on about the Hungarians, but where do you stand on the Slovak question? Fact: Count Dracula hired Slovaks to move his coffin around.Gorilla Bananashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13044093013423635830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-60626494057426667522010-03-15T09:21:23.184-07:002010-03-15T09:21:23.184-07:00I strongly favour the Zsa-Zsa Gabor theory. And is...I strongly favour the Zsa-Zsa Gabor theory. And isn't worm thinking of the Emo Goths rather than the New Romantics, whose spiritual home was France under Louis XIV?Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5471786437032205498.post-91558523707073464552010-03-15T08:48:06.002-07:002010-03-15T08:48:06.002-07:00And now my head hurts.
Stop trying to make the Am...And now my head hurts.<br /><br />Stop trying to make the American think!<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />PearlPearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05261369905176088917noreply@blogger.com